Exposing The Deep Catholic State

Lawyer and children’s advocate Elizabeth Yore joins Stream Senior Editor John Zmirak to discuss the Deep State’s involvement in the Catholic Church, as well as the Catholic laity’s growing discontentment with the church’s handling of sexual abuse and its corrupt leadership.

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00:00:00:04 – 00:00:36:09 Elizabeth Yore In George Soros’ plans and the UN’s plans and Davos’ plans. In 2015, they planned on this massive Muslim immigration invasion into Europe. That was to a million Muslims into all the European countries. This was the Soros plan. Benedict stood as an obstacle to that. And in the Catholic Church, the Vatican was this voice saying, oh, no, no, this is this is a Christian civilization that we must protect.

00:00:36:11 – 00:01:03:22 John Zmirak So as an advocate for at risk children who might be subject to exploitation, do you think it would be in the best interests of those children for the U.S. Catholic bishops, U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and its associated NGOs, such as Catholic Charities, to be subject to a RICO investigation by Trump’s Justice Department?

00:01:03:24 – 00:01:41:11 Elizabeth Yore I do think so. After 60 years of witnessing massive clergy abuse of children, vulnerable adults, boys, girls, seminarians, and the massive cover up by the bishops, they have no, credibility whatsoever. Nothing really has changed over the last 60 years, in my opinion.

John Zmirak Really?

Elizabeth Yore While the policies may have been changed, and, massive lawsuits, we have far fewer priests.

00:01:41:11 – 00:02:08:10 Elizabeth Yore Of course. But, just look at what’s going on in the Vatican. We’re now we now have a, purported pope who is, I call him the papal predator protector. And he’s sending very strong messages, I think, to all bishops around the world, that — What what did he say recently? I just, I just — I had forgotten this, John.

00:02:08:12 – 00:02:41:00 Elizabeth Yore He recently said, where is it? That, this was with respect to sex abuse victims or sex abusers. He said, and this is in front of all the Jesuits, I think, in Spain. He said, sex abusers are children of God, deserving of love, who deserve love and pastoral care. Well, wait a minute. I mean, yeah, I get it, you know, God’s all forgiving, but you have millions of victims out there who have never even been identified.

00:02:41:02 – 00:02:47:02 John Zmirak We have to ask ourselves, would would Pope Francis have said that about racists and neo-Nazis?

00:02:47:04 – 00:02:48:04 Elizabeth Yore No.

00:02:48:06 – 00:03:01:05 John Zmirak Do. And that would all apply to them. But what would it mean if Pope Francis got up and said anti-Semitic and racist thugs are also children of God, deserving of his mercy and our love?

00:03:01:07 – 00:03:03:15 Elizabeth Yore He wouldn’t say that about Donald Trump either, would he?

00:03:03:20 – 00:03:28:15 John Zmirak No he wouldn’t. He wouldn’t. He wasn’t even any of those horrible things. And the fact that he’s got Marko Rupnik, who was excommunicated for raping nuns in in satanic blasphemous sex rituals conducted in the — using the, you know, the sacred vessels of mass. And he’s living at the Vatican. Did you see that Italian journalist?

00:03:28:17 – 00:03:56:06 Elizabeth Yore I did, and finally, at last, wasn’t that great?

John Zmirak It was beautiful

Elizabeth Yore You know, it was the highlight of my day watching her. And. But you see, he, as we know, reversed this excommunication of Rupnik. Rupnik, obviously, based on the video at the airport is free to come and go. And it is this — Oh, he also put, Monsignor Ricca in charge of the the Vatican bank.

00:03:56:08 – 00:04:28:08 Elizabeth Yore This was a diplomat, former Vatican diplomat, who, there are all sorts of allegations of being caught in an elevator with a “rent boy.” You put — As you know, John, child sex abuse, sex abuse in the Catholic Church goes hand in hand with financial mismanagement, financial fraud

John Zmirak And corruption.

Elizabeth Yore And corruption. One follows the other. And in order to carry on their nefarious ways, they need to steal from the collection basket.

00:04:28:11 – 00:04:29:23 John Zmirak Right.

Elizabeth Yore And so —

00:04:30:02 – 00:04:45:17 John Zmirak And also from the U.S. taxpayer. In 15 years, the Catholic Church collected $3 billion in nonprofit contracts, which dollar for dollar paid for 15 years of sex abuse settlements.

00:04:45:19 – 00:05:11:10 Elizabeth Yore That’s right. And, you know, in the question with respect to the RICO and the demand for a forensic audit is — based on my, you know, 20 years experience battling the church — is did this money, any of this money — These are federal funds. So we know that there are federal criminal statutes covering any federal funds that are not used for the designated purpose. Right?

00:05:11:10 – 00:05:39:15 Elizabeth Yore I put people behind bars for, a lot less than the money than the bishops have. So my question is — and remember, this is what I find quite interesting. Francis, who is screaming bloody murder about the cessation of these federal funds, to the bishops and in the closing of the border. I mean, why is he so, overheated about this issue?

00:05:39:17 – 00:05:46:07 Elizabeth Yore Did any of the money go to the Vatican, which we know or been told has been suffering from all sorts of economic problems?

00:05:46:11 – 00:06:05:12 John Zmirak Let me give you one case. In the Archdiocese of New Orleans. Is trying to — took over a charity called Second Harvest, which was designed to collect leftover food from restaurants and give it to the homeless. And it’s taking the money to use to pay sex abuse settlements.

00:06:05:18 – 00:06:36:02 Elizabeth Yore Oh, I mean, it’s it’s. So why would — it’s not a stretch to think that the billions in federal money that they’ve received, that some of it’s been lopped off the top to go to the, private funds of the archbishop, lopped off the top and sent to the Vatican, to some clergy abuse settlements, to bishops’ personal accounts, to diocesan operations.

00:06:36:04 – 00:06:45:16 Elizabeth Yore I mean, this these are federal funds specifically identified to be used for certain actions.

00:06:45:18 – 00:07:02:24 John Zmirak Most of it for immigrants — some of it, actually, trafficking and hiding immigrants, unfortunately. But, so are you going to be are you or someone else drawing up supporting documents to give the Justice Department — to give it credibility if it were to raise such a thing?

00:07:03:01 – 00:07:19:19 Elizabeth Yore Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it’s hard — unless, like you and I have worked in this field for many years — hard to believe that prelates who are given such notoriety and, you know, respect, are involved in some of the most nefarious things over the years. We’ve seen it. We’ve seen —

00:07:19:20 – 00:07:46:06 John Zmirak Oh, we know that Cardinal McCarrick, whom the Pope sent to negotiate his alliance with the Chinese Communist Party, raped at least one child and sexually molested seminarians. And that information was available to the Pope, whether or not he chose chose to believe it. And he sent him to negotiate the church’s relations with the entire vast nation of China.

00:07:46:08 – 00:08:41:03 Elizabeth Yore Well, and we know that there have been allegations of dozens, if not hundreds, of seminarians over the years that McCarrick has been accused of preying on. And because he was so powerful, and threatened many of these young men, they never spoke up. Additionally, where did McCarrick go when he went to China? Did he stay at a hotel in Beijing? Did he stay at the Cardinals residence in Beijing? No. Every time he went there, he stayed at the Beijing seminary. Surprise, surprise.

And, you know, not only that, but McCarrick — John, and I’ve done a deep dive on McCarrick. McCarrick was one of those guys who just weaseled into the the halls of power, starting from Jimmy Carter.

00:08:41:05 – 00:09:00:06 Elizabeth Yore And, you know, I’ve heard about his black book. Even, you know, McCarrick has a black book. It’s got the phone numbers of all the presidents, Hillary — and Hillary Clinton, Secretary of State, Bill Clinton. You know, many, many, you know, of course, Joe Biden, needless to say, who is known for decades, is.

00:09:00:06 – 00:09:03:22 John Zmirak Who is enormously well-connected, which is why he never had to go to jail.

00:09:03:24 – 00:09:05:10 Elizabeth Yore That’s right. That’s right.

00:09:05:12 – 00:09:26:24 John Zmirak Unfit to stand trial. I know that you talked on War Room before about the possible involvement of the Obama deep state in forcing the resignation of of Pope Benedict. What evidence has emerged beyond, like, the John Podesta, Catholic Spring stuff?

00:09:27:01 – 00:10:04:05 Elizabeth Yore Well, I’m doing a deep dive as we speak. And with the — and I’ve also filed FOIAs in 2017, in the first administration of Trump. Did not get much information, as one would guess with FOIAs. But I’m again, just starting, to do a further deep dive. But what I have found was, first of all, McCarrick went down to Buenos Aires — flew down twice in 2012. In October of 2012 and in December of 2012.

00:10:04:07 – 00:10:48:24 Elizabeth Yore Remember, in February of 2013 is when Benedict announced his resignation. Additionally, 22 days after the second Obama administration was sworn in, Benedict resigned. And I’ve looked at, you know, cable traffic during the Ratzinger Benedict papacy from the U.S. embassy back to the State Department. And this is what I saw. They were following him very closely, and they were not pleased with what he was saying and his stances, many of which were, you know.

00:10:49:01 – 00:10:49:19 John Zmirak Common sense.

00:10:49:21 – 00:11:21:15 Elizabeth Yore Yeah, I mean, common sense. First of all, he contrary to what’s been said by this Vatican, he terminated the negotiations with the Chinese. In trying to find some kind of rapprochement on appointment of bishops, he said — and he was quoted in cables as saying — they cannot be trusted. So the Chinese, who were trying to worm their way into the Holy See, were cut off by Benedict.

00:11:21:17 – 00:11:55:22 Elizabeth Yore Secondly, Benedict brought together, early on in his papacy, all the Muslim imams. And he basically read the riot act to them by saying, look, you know, you you are expecting religious freedom. I’m expecting religious freedom. This is reciprocal. So when Christians are in Muslim countries and they’re the minorities, I expect the majority to protect their religious freedom rights.

00:11:55:24 – 00:12:27:00 Elizabeth Yore That was reported in cables, time and time again. Thirdly, as you know, he took the name of Benedict because he wanted to re-Christianize Europe. Well, in the plans, in the Soros plans. In George Soros’ plans and the UN’s plans and Davos’ plans in 2015, they planned on this massive Muslim immigration invasion into Europe that was to a million Muslims into all the European countries.

00:12:27:04 – 00:12:58:04 Elizabeth Yore This was the Soros plan. Benedict stood as an obstacle to that. And in the Catholic Church, the Vatican was this voice saying, oh, no, no, this is this is a Christian civilization that we must protect. And Benedict understood that there was no assimilation, no integration. And he said so. And so here we have the, pontiff standing, really obstructing, the upcoming plan.

00:12:58:08 – 00:13:05:07 John Zmirak I can see the motivation for why they want to get rid of that. But do we have any evidence of them pulling strings to do it?

00:13:05:07 – 00:13:35:22 Elizabeth Yore Well we do know that on January 1st, 2013, before the resignation was announced, that the Swift system, which is the global banking system, pulled the plug on the Vatican bank, at a time, you know — Christmas holidays, the Vatican was packed with people — which meant nobody could get money out of Vatican ATMs, out of the Vatican Bank.

00:13:35:24 – 00:14:14:13 Elizabeth Yore The day after his announcement, on February 12th, those banks were all turned back on. Now, I don’t believe in coincidences. I mean, that was that was very, very curious. And we know that there were a lot of moving parts. Now, this is, you know, what we call the Catholic Spring Revolution, the coup d’etat. And in my mind, John, I don’t think that there is any more pivotal and consequential coup d’etat of the global elite than the one on the Vatican.

00:14:14:15 – 00:14:27:06 John Zmirak Well we’ve seen what these people are willing to do. They just canceled the elections in Romania because they don’t like the leading candidate.

Elizabeth Yore That’s right.

John Zmirak They stole the 2020 election in America, in the U.S.

Elizabeth Yore That’s right.

John Zmiark And imprisoned people for protesting. And we see what they’re capable of.

00:14:27:12 – 00:15:30:06 Elizabeth Yore Yes. And, and so — And in the white House at the time, are Catholics. You’ve got Joe Biden, you’ve got Donilon, you’ve got McDonough, you have John Podesta. They understood the power of needing to take down a great intellectual, a holy, pious man who is able to articulate both from a historical standpoint, from a moral standpoint, the importance of all these issues and say — Oh, and the other person.

Now, this is what I think is really — probably this was the knife in the back of Benedict. In 2008, ’09, ’10, maybe, Nancy Pelosi pushed her way into the Vatican. This is all on the cables that I read. You’re not going to see it many other places. And Benedict had made a policy of seeing only heads of state. But Nancy managed to get in there and, met with him briefly.

00:15:30:08 – 00:16:05:17 Elizabeth Yore And then she came and said ahh, had a lovely conversation. We talked about, the poor and the impoverished and, you know, the wonderful social justice issues of the, you know, of the church and just lovely, you know, blah, blah, blah. Okay. Uncharacteristically, Ratzinger issues, immediately, a statement saying, oh, no, no, no, no. I told her that she should not receive communion if she continues her public pro-abortion stance.

00:16:05:19 – 00:16:28:11 Elizabeth Yore I was very clear to her that abortion — life is the preeminent issue in the Catholic Church. It was not a pleasant conversation. And then there was a statement coming out, in addition to the written statement, another statement. So it was a one-two punch with Nancy Pelosi. She could not have been pleased.

00:16:28:15 – 00:16:36:15 John Zmirak Do you have any idea what it was they used to force Benedict to resign? What was the threat?

00:16:36:17 – 00:16:53:21 Elizabeth Yore Well, you know, I’m — I think there’s a lot of moving parts. I think they used whatever they could. I think Five Eyes, they were all involved. I think, you know, there was the English, the Germans and, Merkel . Angela Merkel did not like Ratzinger at all. So I think —

00:16:53:21 – 00:17:09:24 John Zmirak Ok well, they all had the access to find things. Do you think it was a blackmail thing? Do you think it was a threat of persecuting the church? What what could motivate him? Because I have a lot of friends who are really bitter at Benedict for —

Elizabeth Yore For stepping down?

John Zmirak For basically abandoning us to the wolves.

00:17:10:01 – 00:17:45:07 Elizabeth Yore Well, we know he was totally isolated. This was intentional. He felt like he had no allies in the Vatican. They fired his auditor that he he had hired to clean up the Vatican bank without even telling him. I mean, things were unraveling very quickly in the Vatican. He was a man without a mission, essentially. Isolated. Secondly, we know that the CIA, we know from published reports that the CIA was listening to all of his phone calls, was listening to conversations in the previous conclave in the Vatican.

00:17:45:09 – 00:18:24:21 Elizabeth Yore We know that — So, we know that every day he called his only friend in the world who was his brother, George. George is the choir director in Domspatzen Children’s Choir in Germany. And in December of 2010, and people can check this, all of a sudden a huge explosion of a scandal at the Domspatzen choir boys school. They implicated his brother George as somebody who he had physically, but not sexually, abused the boys.

00:18:24:23 – 00:18:26:05 John Zmirak Like corporal punishment.

00:18:26:07 – 00:18:55:06 Elizabeth Yore Corporal punishment. He, you know, admitted to it, apologized, that he doesn’t do that anymore. Nevertheless, the German bishops, the first reports — I’ve read those first reports, Caspar came out, Marx came out. I mean, this was a full court press. Now, whether there was an agreement, we’re not going to continue — because it dropped off the face of the Earth after this, immediate flurry of publicity.

00:18:55:08 – 00:19:10:10 Elizabeth Yore Was there was there that kind of blackmail with respect to his brother — his, you know, only living relative, his only, essentially his only friend that he could trust? Were there threats on his life?

00:19:10:12 – 00:19:37:01 John Zmirak This is like a Shakespeare play.

Elizabeth Yore It is.

John Zmirak Alright. Let me circle back to the American aspect of it. I argued for more than a year that a Trump Justice Department should do a RICO investigation of the U.S. bishops in order to render them immediately ineligible for federal contracts. That would bankrupt the Catholic left. No more slush funds, no more hush money.

00:19:37:03 – 00:20:03:04 Elizabeth Yore Right.

John Zmirak The resistance I got to that idea was that it would be portrayed as anti-Catholic, and therefore would be politically suicidal for Trump to try to do. Do you think with people like JD Vance speaking up and and with the kind of populist resistance to the corruption of the bishops, that there could be a political constituency now for doing that?

00:20:03:06 – 00:20:29:09 Elizabeth Yore Oh, I definitely do. I’ve watched and read the social media comments. There’s been a huge sea change. You know, Catholics who, you know, normally — you know, faithful Catholics who have just had it. They see the leftist policies. They — you know, 56% of Catholics, first of all, voted for Trump. 70% of Americans are for securing the border and mass deportation.

00:20:29:11 – 00:21:00:06 Elizabeth Yore This is about the safety of their community. Right? The deconstruction of the United States is — the country is falling apart before our eyes. They see what’s happening with fentanyl and — all because of what’s going on at the border — and recognize that it’s our bishops that are facilitating. To say nothing about child trafficking, and we haven’t even begun to do the deep dive on child trafficking at all.

00:21:00:08 – 00:21:02:01 John Zmirak And we’ll get into that next again.

00:21:02:03 – 00:21:27:20 Elizabeth Yore And so I think there is an understanding, a sophistication now by Catholics, that the American bishops have jumped in the bed of the Democratic Party that they have embraced. Look, I mean, they’re partners, you know, they they get these big grants, but they also subgrant to other grantees. The Catholic Church does.

00:21:27:21 – 00:21:29:09 John Zmirak Like Catholic Charities, and —

00:21:29:10 – 00:21:56:19 Elizabeth Yore Yep. Many of them are radical leftist legal organizations. And this is my other argument is that, in the first 30 days of the Trump administration, there have been two major lawsuits filed, you know, not by the ACLU but by the Catholic bishops against Donald Trump. And so I think we’re going to see more and more Catholic bishops engage in lawfare, legal lawfare.

00:21:56:19 – 00:22:22:00 Elizabeth Yore But there’s also something else going on. A couple of things going on is that we see that almost every parish bulletin that I’ve heard of has instructions to illegal aliens as to how to avoid ICE, how to break the law, how to avoid, you know, legal advice on how to avoid deportation. I mean, these are in my parish bulletin.

00:22:22:02 – 00:23:02:07 Elizabeth Yore Thirdly, I think we’re going to see this Alinsky left of the Catholic Church, start organizing, being involved in the protests, which I think are going to continue to grow and grow. And the American Catholics are desperate to protect their children from the, you know, from the danger of illegal aliens. They’re desperate to protect their children from fentanyl, the threat of I mean, you know, John, I mean, the threat of, 300,000 missing children and the impact of the —

00:23:02:07 – 00:23:25:05 John Zmirak Let’s talk about that. You have spoken on War Room before about the role of Catholic nonprofits, which are controlled by the bishops.

Elizabeth Yore Right.

John Zmirak And encouraging the influx of unaccompanied minors across the border into America where they can be sexually exploited. Can you speak to that, please?

00:23:25:07 – 00:25:02:10 Elizabeth Yore Sure. I mean, first of all, who in their right mind would give — Would you give, Jerry Sandusky at Penn State a federal grant to place unaccompanied minor children in the United States? Bring them in? Of course you wouldn’t. Why they would give these massive grants to, the, you know, bishops who have not been proved trustworthy have billions — What is it? $6, $8 billion worth of judgments against, against the Catholic Church?

We’ve had to sell the churches and schools in the inner city poor of America because of their, errant criminal behavior. So, you know, to me, it makes no sense. It’s dangerous. It’s criminal to have them in charge of this. What I don’t think the church understands, but I do think the American people understand, that children who are coming across the border without parents, not knowing the language, in a strange country, being placed with strange people, who are — many of themselves, the vast majority of them are, illegal themselves — are at great risk. And when you have that population which is massive, I mean, there are 400,000 missing American children. Add that to the 300, probably 500,000, unaccompanied minor children that are now in this country. It is a recipe for disaster.

00:25:02:10 – 00:25:09:00 Elizabeth Yore It also it’s it’s like a red flag. Predators go where the vulnerable children are.

00:25:09:02 – 00:25:15:00 John Zmirak Are the cartels controlling this influx of unaccompanied minors? And are they funneling them into the sex industry?

00:25:15:00 – 00:25:42:02 Elizabeth Yore Yes, because. Because frankly, it’s far more lucrative to be involved in sex trafficking than drug trafficking. You sell the drugs, they’re gone. You can sell children and women and boys, repeatedly. So it is, big business. All the criminal cartels, mafia, they’re all in in on it. ISIS is, you know, big purveyor of sex trafficking because it brings in a lot of money.

00:25:42:02 – 00:25:47:21 Elizabeth Yore So so the problem is, is that —

00:25:47:21 – 00:26:03:00 John Zmirak We need to make this case to Pam Bondi. We need Catholics, public Catholics to make this case to JD Vance and Pam Bondi so that Catholics can be the face of gutting the corrupt Catholic lavender left. That is the U.S. Bishops Conference.

00:26:03:02 – 00:26:32:08 Elizabeth Yore John, you’re absolutely right. And I think that’s what we’re doing today at the, at the rally at the Basilica of the Immaculate Conception. I mean, I’m hammering it every chance I get. And, you know, as far as I can see, there’s some great traditional Catholics now embedded in, in the, administration. And I am absolutely convinced that this is not an anti-Catholic, agenda.

00:26:32:10 – 00:26:59:13 Elizabeth Yore This is a pro-life agenda. And and what I know in talking hundreds of groups and working with all sorts of people is that the American people are the eyes and ears of law enforcement. The I mean, the American people are the ones who find missing children. I mean, that’s that was my work for many, many years. Why do you think we have Amber alerts?

00:26:59:13 – 00:27:30:02 Elizabeth Yore Why do you think we have missing children posters at Walmart? Because the American people look at those faces and recognize them and call law enforcement. Law enforcement can’t be anywhere, especially especially in this covert criminal operation which is underground, constantly moving, threatening victims. So it’s going to require a huge effort of the federal government and in conjunction, in a partnership with the American people.

00:27:30:04 – 00:27:41:07 Elizabeth Yore And, you know, this is, you know, the the Catholics have, you know, for every one Catholic that joins the Catholic Church, the the research is showing that eight leave.

00:27:41:09 – 00:27:56:02 John Zmirak Right. 40%, 40% of native born Catholics leave the church. And high percentages of the immigrants leave the church.

Elizabeth Yore Yes.

John Zmirak There’s no — Hispanics in America no longer identify majority as Catholic. That is what the bishops have managed.

00:27:56:04 – 00:29:08:00 Elizabeth Yore That’s right. I mean, you know, and JD was absolutely right when he said, get back to your your own mission. Clean up your own house, right? He was absolutely right. Their job is a salvation of souls, not, you know, political processes. And and this is not quote unquote. And we’ve got to be very attuned to the language they’re using. They’re using, oh “the poor,” “the vulnerable,” that’s who we’re serving. No. Nuh uh. What people need to know is — this is, how these operations work. They’re working in conjunction with the dangerous Mexican and, Central American cartels to identify people, to bring them in to invade this country.

Secondly, Catholic Charities, CRS, Caritas are overseas in places like Istanbul, Turkey, all over the all over the world. And the U.N. is identifying individuals who are not vetted, who we know nothing about handing them over to Catholic Church, the Catholic services overseas, and they’re putting them in the pipeline.

00:29:08:02 – 00:29:33:18 John Zmirak I saw this case in 2015. Dallas Catholic Charities brought in a family from Somalia. The refugees flew them over ten safe Muslim countries, where they could have gone, brought into the U.S., and the son went to Ohio State University and attacked his fellow students with a machete to avenge the sins of the West against Islam. Dallas Catholic Charities was paid to do that by the federal government.

00:29:33:20 – 00:29:58:20 John Zmirak And, you know, 50% of its of its budget goes to salaries. So this is a way of creating jobs for loser leftists in the Catholic world so that they can live, can have comfortable salaries and feel good about themselves and say they’re serving the vulnerable when actually they have low involvement, low intensity jobs and decent salaries that they that they’re getting from the from the taxpayer.

00:29:59:01 – 00:30:22:09 John Zmirak I just want one last question because we don’t have that much more time. Do you think it would be beneficial for the Trump administration to explore stripping the Vatican of its immunity from sex abuse lawsuits, because the the way the Vatican is immune from sex abuse lawsuits is it pretends, using U.S. law, each diocese is a legal corporation.

00:30:22:09 – 00:30:49:24 John Zmirak So the diocese in Dallas allegedly completely runs itself. And the Vatican is just it’s it’s associated with it. But with Pope Francis stepping in to stop the U.S. bishops from adopting a stricter sex abuse policy, with Pope Francis firing bishops like Strickland, it’s clear the Catholic Church is more like British Petroleum. Okay? It is an international corporation that has rigid control, strict control over its local subsidiaries.

00:30:50:01 – 00:30:56:23 John Zmirak If that is the case, what is the legal logic for the Vatican not being sued for sex abuse?

00:30:57:00 – 00:31:34:12 Elizabeth Yore I mean, I, I think it’s long overdue, John. I think, you know, they they have proven that they, you know — and especially this pope has been very clear about, promoting, elevating, protecting, predators. Or cover up artists. There’s a long list, both in the United States and here. And the only way that the Catholic Church is going to wake up and pay attention to protecting its children and rooting out predators is for them to pay.

00:31:34:14 – 00:32:00:09 Elizabeth Yore And this is the only way. And you know, it was Benedict who said the church is going to be poorer and smaller, but it’ll be lively. It will be faithful.

John Zmirak For a long time I opposed this because I was afraid that we’d have to sell all the art treasures from the Vatican to Saudi Arabia, and I would be heartbreaking to see all those paintings coming out of the Vatican. But, but, but the level of corruption we’re dealing with is just it’s just too profound. I think. One other thing.

00:32:00:11 – 00:32:25:09 John Zmirak Do you think that the threat that the U.S. might allow victims of sexual abuse to sue the Vatican because the Vatican’s policies were ultimately responsible for the molestation of their children? Do you think such a threat might influence the cardinals at the upcoming conclave to elect a pope who’s not a rabid, anti-American, quasi-Marxist like Francis?

00:32:25:11 – 00:32:28:03 Elizabeth Yore I disagree he’s a Marxist. Not quasi.

00:32:28:03 – 00:32:30:14 John Zmirak You don’t think he is?

00:32:30:16 – 00:32:32:14 Elizabeth Yore Yeah, I do, I do.

00:32:32:16 – 00:32:44:22 John Zmirak Well, no, I think just, you know, I think — my personal theory is he joined the seminary on the orders of his local communist cell, and I think he’s been an atheist the whole time, so that — the theologians can figure out the implications of that down the road.

00:32:44:22 – 00:33:43:04 Elizabeth Yore But I think I think there’s a was a Bella Dodd in every country at the end. I think, you know, certainly. Yes. He met — and, well, I’ll tell you this. With respect to the impact that would have on the conclave, it is up to we serfs, we lay Catholics, to articulate that to the conclave. But, you know, I mean, this is my personal opinion. Before there is any conclave, there needs to be a reckoning. I want to see the red dossier that they’re delineates to all the predators in the Vatican, all the Freemasons in the Vatican, all the financial and moral corruption. I want to see the hidden, China agreement that has destroyed not only the underground Catholic Church, but persecuted, countless bishops, priests and laity.

00:33:43:06 – 00:34:11:16 Elizabeth Yore I want to see the Bergoglio, call them back report. I want to see the entire McCarrick file. I want to see the file on Marco Rupnik. Until there is an accounting of everything that has gone on in this corrupt, 12 year regime. They are not in a position to elect a new pope because they don’t know the kind of man that is required to lead them out of this maelstrom.

00:34:11:18 – 00:34:22:20 John Zmirak But the problem is, you know, as — knowing Catholic history, we know those documents you’re talking about may emerge in 350 years, but they’re not going to emerge this year, are they?

00:34:22:20 – 00:35:17:11 Elizabeth Yore Well, for the first time in Catholic history, we have social media. For the first time in Catholic history, we truly have the ability of Catholic laypeople around the world to speak with one voice and to speak loudly and with sustain. And we you know, I think, John, at this point, and I’m going to end on a positive note. I believe that we are in this great awakening — that this, you know, this battle that’s going on in the church is really a test for all of us. That God’s asking, how much do you love me? How much do you love my church? Are you willing to fight for it? And as we fight and as we resist corruption, I think the the light of the Holy Spirit is going to continue to shine on the dark corners and allow us to purify and cleanse the church.

00:35:17:13 – 00:35:43:07 Elizabeth Yore And that’s what we’re going through, as we know we’re going through our own crucifixion. This is that walk in the way of Golgotha. For many of us who love the church and see what’s happening. But, this is the time for us to really — and I don’t mean seize the reins of power — but to speak, with clarity and as our Lord would speak. You know, he turned over the tables. Remember he —

00:35:41:02 – 00:35:43:07 John Zmirak Right, right, right.

00:35:43:09 – 00:35:55:04 Elizabeth Yore And so, you know, this is this is our way of getting, our church back on track and to really pursue the mission of the church, which is salvation of souls.

00:35:55:10 – 00:36:00:22 John Zmirak Thank you. Liz, could you tell our viewers how they can find you, follow you, and follow your work?

00:36:00:24 – 00:36:11:22 Elizabeth Yore Sure. I’m on all social media as Elizabeth Yore. And my website is YoreChildren.com.

00:36:11:24 – 00:36:12:21 John Zmirak Thank you so much.

00:36:12:21 – 00:36:14:09 Elizabeth Yore God bless you and thank you John.

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